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Ask the Pastor with J.D. Greear

Should Christians Support Gay Marriage?

Ask the Pastor with J.D. Greear

J.D. Greear

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality

4.9624 Ratings

🗓️ 2 January 2023

⏱️ 15 minutes

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Summary

This week we wrap up our marriage and family series. Pastor J.D. jumps from talking about traditional marriage and family to answer a controversial family question.

Show Notes:

Two perspectives to this: 1. Is it biblically permissible? 2. Even if it isn’t, is this one of those ‘live and let live’ areas? Not everything Christians believe about morality do we believe should be put into laws others who don’t share our beliefs should live by.

NOTE: Please listen to the full length episode for full context. Do not rely solely on these show notes as they do not paint the full picture of what Pastor J.D. is communicating.

Part 1: Six biblical passages--every mention is negative, either prohibiting or condemning such behavior and all very clear. 1 Corinthians 6:9–11, for instance, refers to “men who have sex with men” as a vice that would prevent a person from entering the kingdom of God. The two Greek terms he used, malakoi and arsenokoitai, were the common terms of the day to refer to a broad range of homosexual relationships.

Common objections: 

* “Jesus never spoke about homosexuality.”


This is a claim that is true only in the most technical and unhelpful sense. No, Jesus never uttered the word “homosexual.” He also never mentioned (by name) rape, child abuse, fraud, or idolatry. But his stance on each of those issues is, nevertheless, quite clear.
There are two ways that Jesus could have established what was right and wrong in regards to sexuality. He could have talked about every possible variation of the wrong, condemning each aberration one by one. Or he could put forward a vision for what is right. Think of it like this: if five women were standing side by side, and one of them was my wife, I could identify her in two ways: I could say that each of the other four were not my wife; or I could say, “That wonderful woman there…she’s my wife.” Jesus repeatedly affirmed the Mosaic understanding of the sanctity of sex within heterosexual marriage, and by doing that he disallowed all deviations.
Furthermore, saying “Jesus never talked about it” pits the words of Jesus against the rest of the Scriptures. But Jesus himself said that all of the Scriptures were inspired, which means that the black letters in our Bible have as much divine authority as the red ones.


* “What Paul had in mind was not the same as homosexuality as we know it today.” 


He was, they argue, thinking of male prostitution, rape, or pedophilia. Committed same-sex relationships didn’t exist in Paul’s day, so Paul’s words don’t apply.
This is, simply put, not true. Historian Thomas Hubbard (not a Christian), wrote an exhaustive (and exhaustively long, nearly 600 pages) work on homosexuality in the ancient world, entitled Homosexuality in Greece and Rome. He demonstrates that homosexuality existed in a wide variety of forms, much like today. And that included committed, lifelong, same-sex partners. Had Paul wanted to distinguish between valid and invalid forms of homosexuality, he could have done so.
Or consider Romans 1, in which Paul talks about humanity’s rejection of God’s authority. Because we rejected God’s authority, “God gave them [that is, us] up to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged natural relations for those that are contrary to nature; and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another” (Romans 1:26–27). As Richard Hays says concerning this passage, Paul depicts gay and lesbian activity as an outward epitome of the inward posture of sin—rejection of the Creator’s design.


Part 2: But can’t we believe that it is wrong and still allow marriage? Christians don’t think every wrong thing should be illegal. J Budizewski says,

Transcript

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0:00.0

All right, everybody, welcome to Ask Me Anything.

0:20.1

I am Matt Love.

0:21.0

I am here with J.D. Greer, and we are in our last episode of the Marriage and Family series.

0:26.3

It's been a good one.

0:27.1

We've been having a lot of fun with it.

0:28.5

We've asked some really good questions, some tough questions, some interesting questions.

0:31.3

We've got Veronica involved.

0:32.7

Unbelievable stuff.

0:33.9

Last question, saved a, yeah, an interesting one. It's got a old meat on it. So,

0:39.4

JD, should Christians support gay marriage? So I think you can take this question in one of

0:45.5

two different ways. The first one is, is it biblically permissible for somebody to say,

0:51.8

I am a Christian, a follower of Jesus, and I'm gay. That's just how I'm made,

0:56.0

and I'm going to get married and be faithful in a monogamous marriage in a gay marriage.

1:02.9

That's kind of one aspect of the question. The other side, which are probably even more

1:06.7

pressing for most of our listeners, is even if I acknowledge that it is wrong and sinful,

1:13.8

is this one of those kind of live and let live areas? I mean, because not everything that Christians

1:17.9

believe about morality, do we believe ought, you know, should be put into laws that other people

1:22.8

who don't share our beliefs should live by? The New Testament contains literally hundreds of precepts that we don't

1:29.0

think ought to be turned into laws. Everything from how we give to the church and to, you know,

1:34.9

even sex before marriage is, I don't know many Christians that are arguing, you know, let's make that

1:39.8

an offense that's punishable by jail time or fines or anything like that, even though we would

1:45.6

believe that it's wrong. So let me just deal with both those parts of the question one at a time.

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