So Ronnie got stuck on Barclay there for a while and talked about in Phoenix him never having a true number two.

That's true, Ronnie, and I was not quick enough to respond, but I was thinking about his Houston team in particular.

He did play with Drexler and Elijah won on those Houston teams that ended up losing to Utah in the

Western Conference Finals. And while this would be unfair, remember, he started his career

playing with Moses and Dr. Jay, made it to an Eastern Conference Finals and did play in multiple playoff seasons with Dr. Jay. An older Dr. Jay made it to an Eastern Conference finals and did play in multiple playoff seasons

with Dr. Jay, an older Dr. Jay, but still with Dr. Jay. But good call. All right. The question is,

do you tie championships to your evaluation of a player's overall legacy, overall career ranking, you know,

greatness level.

LeBron James on a podcast with Steve Nash essentially started to downplay the importance of

championships in the evaluation of players.

You know, somebody called in and said, you know, LeBron's doing it because LeBron's

never going to catch Mike, et cetera.

LeBron does have four and has been to ten.

He's got pretty good championship pedigree when all is said and done.

Let's go to our guy, Brandon and Woodbridge.

Brandon, go ahead.

Hey, how you doing?

I'm good, Brandon.

Thank you for having me.

Sure.

I was just thinking about the one caller called in and I think I was kind of talking about, you know, back in the day versus now.

And I think like now that we are now seeing where the players are now like almost like

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