We're bringing Australian True Crime live to Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne this July,

and I have to tell you that Brisbane sold out already.

Good for you, Brisbane, so we've quickly added a second show.

Now we can't keep adding more shows, so please make sure you get your tickets. Our special guests,

our forensic criminologist Santee Mallet in Brisbane and Sydney and the one and only Charlie Bazzina in

Melbourne. There'll be a Q&A of course so you can ask your own burning questions on the night but you have to book quickly.

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The following podcast contains content of a graphic violent nature and is not suitable for children.

Our guest today is Boyd Unwin,

suburban Trady and father of three in his 50s, who's always thought of himself and his family as the epitome of normal and unremarkable.

I still think they're pretty close to the average Australian family and on my worst

days I wonder if there's anything we can do to change the dark secret that hangs over so many

of us. But Boyd is more optimistic and has's committed himself to understanding how he lost his daughter Katie to her partner five years ago.

Boyd and his wife Tanya are now raising the child their daughter shared with her murderer.

And bit by bit they'll have to explain to that child why neither of her parents can be with her.

They're doing this at a time when they thought they'd be settling into retirement and enjoying being grandparents.

Meanwhile Boyd and his other daughter Bianca cope with their feelings of loss and rage by advocating for Katie and for other families in their position. They participated in the

SBS series Look What You Made Me Do for example, which reenacted parts of their

story and showed CCTV footage of the lead up to Katie's murder.

All of that was harrowing for them, no doubt, but as you'll hear,

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