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Crime Stories with Nancy Grace on SiriusXMTRIump Channel 132

Do you remember the old, old question?

If a tree falls in the forest, and nobody's around, does it make a noise?

Well, of course, we know that it does, but that was the theoretical question that you'd be asked in college when you're in your first philosophy class, which you're forced to take, by the way.

But now the new question is, if you don't star in your own Facebook video, or it doesn't happen on Facebook, did it really ever happen at all?

I'm talking about murder, murder, live streamed on Facebook, not just once, but over and over and over again, why the phenomena of murder, live streamed.

I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories, thank you for being with us. The chicken or the egg, oh dear, another philosophical question.

Do people murder on live streaming to become famous, or do they become famous or infamous because they live streamed a murder?

That's the big question. But I'm going to let the shrinks figure all that out, while I figure out who's going to jail and why.

Joining me right now, Dr. Chloe Carmichael, creator of AskDrCC.com, that's AskDRCC.com, awesome, awesome site, Dr. Chloe.

With me, Forensics expert, Joseph Scott Morgan, professor of Forensics at Jacksonville State University, and Crime Stories Investigative Reporter, John Limley, and we're going to kick it all off with a case that just stunned me, the case of an evil.

Evil, evil, Cleveland, gunman, who randomly shoots dead, an elderly man in the street, just drives by, and shoots a guy dead, who's shuffling along, minding his own business.

This guy has a family. He had grandchildren that called him Papa. There's pictures of him we've managed to dig up. He's 74-year-old Robert Godwin, and his grandchildren absolutely loved him. He had a favorite easy chair.

It reminds me a little bit of the ugly chair in Frazier, that the dad sat in all the time, but it also reminds me of my father. He had a favorite chair that he would sit in.

And this Mr. Godwin is reminding me of my dad so much, and Mr. Godwin is just gunned down dead randomly, and to add insult to injury, the killer live street posted the video on Facebook.

To John Limley, crime stories investigator reporter, I don't understand why this Cleveland shooter, who seemed to be a normal guy, Steve Stevens, would gun down a guy on Facebook video and claim he's killed 15 more.

Let's start at the beginning, John Limley. What happened?

Nancy, this was a really nice day. Warm and sunny. So, as you mentioned, Robert Godwin, he was out for a stroll in the Glenville neighborhood of Cleveland. As we've heard, he was a gentle man, graying hair that day. He was wearing a blue plaid shirt.

He was carrying a white plastic bag that he had filled with cans that he had picked up along the way. It's something that he did almost every day since he had retired as a foundry worker.

He loved to go along, pick things up, maybe even a bicycle or a small appliance, and he'd take them home and repair them. And this had given him an affectionate nickname in the neighborhood, the junk man.

Okay, now wait a minute, wait a minute. This guy had a long career in the foundry business to support his family, his children, and even his grandchildren.

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