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Hey, this is in Perfect Paradise, a show about the gap between the dream and the reality.

I'm Antonio Serejido.

Today, we're bringing you my conversation with Jess Shane, the host and producer of the podcast series, Radiotopia presents shocking, heartbreaking, transformative.

In this five-part series, Jess questions some of the long-established basic tenets of documentary

storytelling. Guidelines we follow here at a list, like never pay your subjects and don't share

editorial control with them. Shocking, heartbreaking, transformative

is set off by a sort of crisis of faith

that Jess experiences about the documentary industry.

She breaks it down this way in the first episode.

I grew up with all of these ideas

about storytelling is this noble art form.

But approaching a decade of doing this work, I've got some questions

about just what it is we think we're doing telling other people's stories. Questions I can't

ignore anymore. Who and what do documentaries serve? And what good, if any, am I actually doing?

In an attempt to make a documentary in a way that Jess hopes will be less extractive and more ethical, she puts out a Craigslist ad.

It read,

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