We didn't want Zionism. I think it's absolutely against the Torah.

I disagree with you on that. I totally disagree with aligning ourselves with protesting against Israel.

You are Khashidashid, your entire life, Satmer. Is that about right?

Satmar and Khashidish, yes, my entire life, absolutely not.

I went to public school. I had no idea of what orthodoxy was. I grew up in a house that I would call, like, you know, traditional Jewish, Manhattan-style Jewish. I've always told my friends in Williamsburg. Go sometime Paisach, walked by Peter Lugar, because you'll see people sitting there with boxes of machine matzahs, Yehuda matzazas on the table. And that's how you grew up? That is how I grew up, yes. Eating Khmerz at Peter Lugar with machine manza.

Is Peter Lugar even kosher?

Absolutely not. Oh, okay. No! Meet Schmelk a diamond. And whatever you're expecting, this is not that story. He didn't grow up religious, didn't grow up

Chasidish, and definitely didn't grow up anywhere near the world he lives in today.

For my fully secular Great Neck Upbrain, public school reform temples, Italian restaurants on Friday nights, he ends up having one life-altering moment at 14 that sends him on a path no one in this world saw coming. But here's what makes his journey truly different. It doesn't stop at becoming from. It carries him all the way into Sartmar,

including a set of views on Israel and Zionism. That to be very clear, I completely disagree with.

Views I honestly didn't even know he held until this interview. This isn't a typical about Suva story.

This is identity, ideology, and transformation, colliding in ways you can't predict and definitely won't forget.

I immediately tried to go full throttle, which didn't work.

Your parents didn't want you to become religious at that point?

No, not at that point at all.

There was a connotation, unfortunately, that Orthodox Judaism in general is extreme and it's unnecessary.

It was absolutely not being a Zionist. I don't want to get into an intellectual argument now. This is going to come out. I'm going to get a lot of flack. You sat with someone who's anti-Zionist. I'm sorry if my view offends you, but I'm not sorry for what I believe. What do you think about Zionists now? I think it's absolutely against the Torah. I disagree with you on that. I hope I don't get too much flack. I'll be a little flag, but not too much. Okay, guys, I usually cut straight to the episode, but there's really something important I need to talk about with you. Not just hitting that subscribe button, which you should do, please. It takes five seconds. Hit the subscribe button, hit the notification bell. We see how many you subscribe from an episode. We see

those numbers go up, but what percentage of people are subscribed versus not. Please do that for us.

But in this episode, a pair of views, a set of views came up that I did not agree with,

and I did not know were held by our guest. I certainly did not know it would be coming up.

As you could tell us, a little bit caught off guard by it. I just did not know it would be coming up. As you could tell, I was a little bit

caught off guard by it. I just wanted to, you know, get ahead and say, listen, we're two Jews

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