Welcome back to shit show Saturday and I found her guys. I found her. She is not a

Scientologist herself, which we're really bummed about, but this will do. So welcome, Susan.

Thank you. Thank you for asking me. Yeah. What if I was like, and we have

Elron Hubbard reincarnated? So maybe we should just get this part out of the way.

So your brother joined Scientology when in his 20s?

Yeah. So he was a student at Cal and he was like going to be a doctor pre-med. I'm nine years

younger than him. So I had this idealized older brother thing going on. And then it was the 70s and

he joined Scientology with a friend of his at Cal and dropped out of school and

he's, let's see, how old is he now? Is he 70? He might even be. No, he's almost 70. And he's

been in Scientology the whole time. He married a Scientologist. His kids, his two sons that were

born into Scientology. And it was never discussed in our family. You know, my mom always,

we were raised pretty much by my mom single-handedly. Always expressed disdain for it, but never really

nothing was ever really explained. It was just he was in Scientology and we were a Catholic. So

that was kind of, you know, against definitely our Catholic faith. But he didn't try to like

reel y'all in. No, no. So he wasn't one of those. He's a very passive personality, which I think

has made him perfect for being sucked into something like Scientology. But no, no, there was never

any attempt to convert us. I think he knew better. I grew up with a lot of brothers and they were

not afraid to kick anybody's ass. So yeah, I don't think he was going to attempt anything like that.

And so did you like how much were you aware of it prior to like going clear coming out? And once

things started to like be said, did you know how weird it was prior to like it becoming more public?

I knew and I don't really know how I knew this because there wasn't a lot of publicity around it

like in the 70s and 80s. But I just knew that they requested a lot of money from him. Like he never

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