Hey everyone. I'm Jonathan Kapart and welcome to K-pop.

So President Trump has this election integrity commission to look into fraudulent voting and

fraudulent voter registration and improper voting.

But leave it to Cheryline Eiffel, President of the NAACP Legal Defense and Education Fund,

to highlight the absurdity of that commission.

So we don't have a problem of too many people showing up to vote.

We have a problem of too few people showing up to vote.

Eiffel gets into the ins and outs of voter suppression efforts in Texas and around the country,

their down-ballad implications, and the omnipresent specter of race and all of this right now.

Charlin Eiffel, thank you so much for coming on the podcast.

Thanks for having on the podcast.

Thanks for having me, Jonathan.

So, okay, I'm mystified by something.

President Trump says that there is widespread voter fraud

that some 3 million people, undocumented people voted in the election.

That's not right.

That's not true.

No, it's not true.

And as you watched it unfold, it was almost as though he threw it out there

and then it became a story that he had to kind of stand by.

And you heard him stand by it, and you heard his surrogates,

like Stephen Miller say you

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