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Hey guys, welcome to the show. I have a very special guest today. My sister-in-law

Kim, who I wrote about in my book a change of affection and she played a really key role in my conversion to Christ and my coming to faith in Christ.

And she, I finally got coming to

come to faith in Christ. And she I finally got her to agree to come on my show.

She doesn't like doing these kind of things,

but I'm so happy to have her on the show and we're going to talk about kind of just the whole process of you know when she found out I was quote-unquote gay and then what happened how she responded how she reacted what she

thought and all those things and also we're gonna end on kind of her advice to to parents and to family members who are dealing with this.

So, and again in my book, I kind of give her as the example of an evangelical Christian who in my life was such an amazing person and she the way she loved me the way she

interacted with me when I was living as a gay man. So I'm so excited to have Kim on.

Welcome, Kim.

Thanks, it's nice to be here.

It's so good to finally have you on the show.

Okay, yeah.

So, um, yeah, so, um, yeah, so as I, you know, I, I've mentioned you obviously first well I've been I talk about you in my book all the time or I've talked about you in my book but I talk about you all the time when I'm speaking and on the road and when I speak at conferences

and you're kind of my illustration

of sort of the ideal evangelical Christian

to have as a family member when you know you're you're living a you know

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