Welcome to the podcast Think Biblically, conversations on faith and culture.

I'm your host Sean McDowell, Professor of Apologetics at Talbot School of Theology,

Biola University.

And I'm your co-host, Scott Ray, Dean of Faculty and Professor of Christian Ethics, also

at Talbot School of Theology at Biola University.

We're here with a friend of mine, Eric Johnson, who is an author of a recent book, a co-author

along with me called Sharing the Good News with Mormons.

Eric also works with a Mormon research ministry which when people ask me for a resource

in terms of reaching out to Mormons that is both scholarly and practical.

I always suggest MRM.org.

Eric lives in Salt Lake City and has irregular relationships and ministry to Mormons.

Eric, thanks for coming on.

Thanks for having me on, guys.

Yeah, we appreciate you coming on with us, Eric.

Let me start with a question that I suspect a lot of people in the church who have not thought about the

connection between Christianity and Mormonism might hold and that is why do

Mormons need the gospel at all? Isn't Mormonism Christian? We get that a lot. A lot of

Latter-day Saints will claim that they are Christians too. In fact, Jesus Christ is in

the Church's name, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. But the problem is that when

you get past the terminology, and we have similar terminology, when you say God, Jesus,

salvation by grace, the Latter-day Saint will say, well I believe

that too. But the problem is that they mean different things than what the Christian, the

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