Share & Bubble & Tell with Mina Kimes and Derek Thompson
Pablo Torre Finds Out
Pablo Torre
4.7 • 2.6K Ratings
🗓️ 5 March 2026
⏱️ 52 minutes
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Summary
Is A.I. gonna boom, bust or just become Excel? And how screwed are we either way? Plus: Peyton Manning, Lamar Jackson, Geraldo Rivera's vault, a young Tim Pawlenty, vibe-coding NFL scouts... and Filipino Jell-O.
Further content:
• "A.I. as Normal Technology" (Columbia University)
https://knightcolumbia.org/content/ai-as-normal-technology
• "The 2028 Global Intelligence Crisis" (Citrini Research)
https://www.citriniresearch.com/p/2028gic
• "Nobody Knows Anything" (Derek Thompson)
https://www.derekthompson.org/p/nobody-knows-anything
• "This Is How the A.I. Bubble Will Pop" (Derek Thompson)
https://www.derekthompson.org/p/this-is-how-the-ai-bubble-will-pop
• "Fear of A.I. Eliminating Jobs Makes Its Way to Football (Mike Florio)
• Previously on PTFO: How Artificial Intelligence Is Already Changing Sports, with Daryl Morey and Sendhil Mullainathan
• Subscribe to "The Mina Kimes Show featuring Lenny"
• Subscribe to "Plain English with Derek Thompson"
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | Welcome to Pablo Torre finds out, presented by eBay Live. |
| 0:03.1 | I am Pablo Torre, and today you're going to find out what this sound is. |
| 0:07.4 | It's a really strange form of marketing to predict that if your technology is successful, |
| 0:15.9 | the effect of that success will be a calamity for the United States. |
| 0:20.5 | Right after this ad. |
| 0:28.0 | I want to explain Mina and Derek how you guys know each other |
| 0:30.9 | because Derek is the first time that you and I are really getting to hang out together |
| 0:34.5 | in this context. |
| 0:35.9 | The origin of this episode is that you guys have been beefing off air, but I want to understand |
| 0:40.2 | the back story. |
| 0:41.4 | Yes, you guys are beefing. |
| 0:42.5 | This is conflict. |
| 0:43.1 | That's not at all accurate. |
| 0:44.5 | We're confronting Derek. |
| 0:45.9 | I would not characterize it as a beef. |
| 0:47.5 | I would characterize it as a constructive disagreement. |
| 0:51.2 | I wouldn't even go that far, personally. |
| 0:53.4 | A deconstructive disagreement. Wow. Even working. |
| 0:57.1 | We used to call it Satan, fake beef. |
| 1:01.0 | Wow. That's great. |
| 1:03.2 | Derek and I have been friends for like 20 years. Is that too long? No, less than that. |
| 1:08.5 | More like maybe 15? Yeah, maybe like 15 years. |
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