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Welcome back. It's the Big Blue Banter. New York Giants football podcast. I'm Dan Schneier.

I'm joined as always my host, Nick Falado. And luckily today we're joined by Mike Herndon, who this is a long time coming from me. We've been following each other's work a lot for a long time on Twitter. He does excellent work in the same regard that you love us for, the Big Louvander podcast, film, breakdowns, ex and O's, but for the Titan. So we thought no better person to have on. to talk a little ball with us, get us to, you know, a little more up to date on the Giants new defensive coordinator, Shane Bowen. And, you know, Mike Herndon, we're going to tell you where he's from. He's from Paul Kourkeh.com. That's P-A-U-L-K-U-H-A-R-S-K-Y. I wanted to make sure I got that right, so I had to write it down.com. You can find all his written work there.

And then he's the co-host of the F-words podcast.

So you can find all his written work there.

And then he's the co-host of the F-words podcast. So you can find all of his audio work there. And he's an excellent football mind. So we're really excited to get into this and talk a little shame bone with him. And obviously, we want to get a feel for what the Giants fans can expect with their new defensive coordinator. So, Nick, you want to kick us off here?

Yeah, I want to kick us off here.

Yeah, I want to ask you, Mike, and thank you for joining us.

A little bit about the 2020 Titans because it was a, it was kind of a weird situation.

Dean Peas probably poops too was your guy's defense coordinator. And he just retired out of nowhere.

And, and then he like came back like two years later with the Falcons, which was weird. But anyways. was your guy's defensive coordinator and he just retired out of nowhere.

And then he like came back like two years later with the Falcons, which was weird.

But anyways, the 2020 season, you guys want to believe 11 and 5,

but Mike Vrable was the defensive coordinator with Shane Bowen on staff. Was Shane Bowen acting as a defensive coordinator?

Because I know there was a huge jump in the effectiveness in terms of advanced

statistical analysis and numbers from 2020 to 2021. And I'm just trying to discern what was Shane

Bowen's impact with that 2020 season that was not all that effective from a defensive standpoint.

Yeah, it was kind of a weird deal. It was a little Belichickie, kind of of how Vrable operated that season.

You know, everyone thought he was going to name Shane Bowen, the defensive coordinator.

Him and Shane Bowen were together for a long, long time going back to Ohio State.

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