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Christopher Kimball’s Milk Street Radio

Sex, Murder and Chocolate

Christopher Kimball’s Milk Street Radio

Milk Street Radio

Food, Arts

4.42.8K Ratings

🗓️ 5 December 2025

⏱️ 64 minutes

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Summary

Author Aleksandra Crapanzano uncovers the rich history of chocolate—from black markets to murder in the church, people have stopped at nothing to procure this luxurious ingredient. Plus, record producer David Katznelson plays us some drinking songs; Alex Aïnouz masters the art of stock; and we whip up a Rice Pudding with Caramel Cream and Almond Praline.

Get our recipe for Rice Pudding with Caramel Cream and Almond Praline here.

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Did you ever wonder what it's like to live alone, hidden in the woods not speaking to a single soul for 30 years?

0:13.0

Or wander to the desert, uncover a hidden well, and die to the bottom of the deepest waterhole for 2,000 miles.

0:22.5

The Snap Judgment podcast takes you there with amazing stories told by the people who live them,

0:27.9

with an original soundscape that drops you directly into their shoes.

0:32.7

Snap Judgment, listen and subscribe wherever you get your podcast.

0:45.5

Which brand of chocolate should I buy for my kitchen?

0:49.7

Well, I've been asked that a million times over the years, and here's my answer, Gattard.

0:53.1

It's been around since 1868 and it's family owned.

0:56.3

They have over 150 years experience in making chocolate for pastry chefs, artisan bakers, chocolatiers, and of course home bakers. Gattard

1:01.8

prioritizes flavor and quality. Now, what does that look like? Well, preserving the uniqueness of each

1:07.5

origin from which they source, Gartard invests in flavor preservation on cocoa farms

1:12.3

through local partnerships, as well as in the gentle ways in which they craft the chocolate from

1:17.1

bean to bar. Now, what's left is chocolate in its purest form, delivering flavor and quality.

1:23.3

Plus, they are always innovating, as with their coconut sugar sweetened baking chips.

1:45.6

And by the way, I love their wafers. You don't need to chop them. And the added cocoa butter means they melt evenly and consistently. And I also love their milk chocolate chips and chocolate chip chunks. So here at Milk Street, we use Gattard for all the same reasons I love it. It's our go-to brand. So please check out Guitar Chocolate. You can find guitar at most specialty and local retailers or on Guitard.com.

1:54.3

This is Mel Street Radio from PRX and I'm your host, Christopher Kimball.

2:00.2

Today we look to the Catholic Church

2:02.1

to learn an important life lesson.

2:04.7

Be careful what you try and take away.

2:06.6

Never try and take away chocolate.

2:08.7

Consider what happened to the bishop

2:10.1

who tried to banish hot chocolate during worship.

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