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The Documentary Podcast

Setting the Past Free - Part One

The Documentary Podcast

BBC

Society & Culture, Documentary, Personal Journals

4.32.6K Ratings

🗓️ 4 May 2016

⏱️ 27 minutes

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Summary

For some Rudolf Kastner is a hero, for others a traitor. The story began in Nazi occupied Hungary in 1944. At the time Kastner, a lawyer and a journalist, was deputy chairman of the Relief and Rescue Committee. He negotiated with Adolf Eichmann to save Jewish lives but did he pay for them with other Jewish lives?

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The details of our complete range of podcasts and our terms of use, go to BBCworldservice.com slash podcasts. 9 out and walked towards his apartment. According to contemporary accounts, a young man stepped

0:35.3

out of the shadows and shouted, Are you Dr. Kastner? When he confirmed that he was, the young man

0:41.8

pulled a gun out of his pocket.

0:44.0

Kastner ran towards the entrance but was shot.

0:47.0

Rudolph Israel Kastner died 12 days later in hospital.

0:52.0

Outside number six now, there's a metal plaque with a

0:55.5

Hebrew inscription describing how Kastner lived and was murdered here. Some people

1:02.0

as well here in these programs use the more loaded

1:04.4

term assassinated and that he was a savior of Jews in the Holocaust. But

1:10.6

there aren't many other memorials to him in this country or around the world.

1:15.0

And that's because for almost 60 years now, writers have been debating whether Rudolph Kastner was a savior or a collaborator, a hero or a traitor.

1:27.0

On Monday July 3rd, 1944, a scientist Jew in a suit stood in Adolf Aichman's Budapest office.

1:35.4

Your nerves seem tethered, said Aichman to the men.

1:38.8

Maybe I'll send you on vacation in Auschwitz.

1:41.3

The Zionist Jew who stood before him was unfazed. As a gesture,

1:48.0

demonstrating he was no inferior in front of this interlocuture, he removed a box from his pocket and lit a cigarette.

1:56.8

That was Dr Israel Kastner.

1:59.1

The reason why he was in the room was to negotiate with Aichlan and other Nazi officers thereby saving

2:04.7

tens of thousands of Jews from extermination.

2:08.8

A translation of Marav Michaeli, Dr. Kastner's granddaughter, making her maiden speech as an Israeli MP in 2013.

2:17.7

She's describing the meeting in 1944 when Kastner, as a leader of the Zionist community in Hungary, persuaded as senior Nazi Adolf Eichmann

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