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I know we told you that our last episode was our final installment, but The Intercept, a publication from First Look Media, just concluded a three-part interview with Jay Wilds, whose last name, I think we can now comfortably say.

And so I'm pleased to say that Katie Waldman joins me again from our studio in D.C. Hey, Katie.

Hey.

So it looks like we're getting the old gang back together for one more crazy look at this.

One more caper.

Yes, at this amazing podcast.

And also, you know, a look at this case.

I really think, you know, we got a lot of requests from people to talk about these interviews because, you know, this whole story can be so crazy making.

I think what happens while people were listening to the podcast

and what's happening now is people want to talk about it.

They want to think it through.

And this was an unexpected jolt at the end of what appeared to be the podcast's run.

These interviews that Natasha Vargas Cooper did with Jay Wilds.

I thought first we could talk about just, you know, your own visceral reaction to them.

Did they change your view of the case of the podcast?

Did they change your view of Jay, who we never got to hear from firsthand?

Gosh, I'm a little worried about admitting this because since I said that I did not care about

the Nisha Call, I'm going to be pegged as like the perennially underwhelmed person on the

podcast. But I just, this series of interviews didn't really change anything for me.

I didn't feel like there was a thunder, a thunderclap moment or a clincher.

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