From executive producer Isaac Saul, this is Tangle.

Tangle.

Good morning, good afternoon and good evening and welcome to the Tangle podcast. A place where you get views from across the political spectrum, some independent thinking, and a little bit of our take. I am senior editor, Will Kayback.

About a month ago, I spoke with Chris Arnadi.

And Chris is somebody who, if you're on Substack, you may be familiar with his writings there.

He does this really cool project where he will go basically anywhere in the world. As far as I know, he has been to every continent, except maybe Antarctica, and he walks these

long distances, hundreds of miles across

cities and rural areas. And he tries to just meet as many people as he can during these walks

and get a real sense of the genuine culture of the place. And then he writes about it. And his

writing and the themes that covers intersects with a lot of the big issues here in the U.S.

There's a lot of writing about immigration.

There's cultural differences.

There's education.

There's class.

There's poverty.

So it's a fascinating read, and I highly recommend checking it out if you're interested in something like that.

He's also a photographer and takes these incredible photographs that go along with his pieces.

But the reason that I wanted to talk to Chris was actually multi-fold.

For one, I did want to talk about this walking and writing project that he does

and hear a little bit more about the insights that he's gained from it.

But also from following him on Twitter and reading some of his insights there,

I have learned that he has pretty incisive views about immigration here in the United States, about the way that politicians and policymakers talk about class.

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