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This tragedy hasn't caused us to pull away from God.

It's caused us to draw closer to God.

In fact, God has drawn us closer to him through the loss.

We have deeper trust and deeper confidence, deeper love.

Here's the reality of the situation. When your heart is most broken is exactly when your wife and when your children are most going to need your leadership.

It's at that very point. And so you don't get to opt out.

You don't get to disappear.

We are very, very weak and very vulnerable, very earthy, dusty little creatures.

And yeah, it's very difficult to grieve well.

This is Adam Griffin, and unfortunately today, my co-hosts are not with us today, but

better news, not better, I guess, than Cassie and Chess, but good news.

I'm here with author, theologian, husband and parent, Tim Chalys. How you doing today, Tim? Doing well, thanks. Great. I'm so glad to have you with this. It is a high honor to have you on the podcast. I'll tell you, you would not remember this, but probably about a decade ago, one of the highest honors of my life, because I'll tell you, Tim, I check your website all the time. I love your Kindle deals. I'm a huge Kindle advocate. I'm also, I love the Alicart work you do where you read the entire internet and then tell us what's worth reading, which I appreciate. About 10 years ago, one of the first blogs ever wrote at the village, made your Alicart list, and I felt like I'd made it. I felt like this is the

moment. I have written something that Tim, at least somebody who works for Tim thought was worth reposting somewhere. So thank you for that. Huge vote of encouragement. Sure thing. I should send a plaque for your wall or something with that. Gosh, you have no idea. I would hang a plaque. That would be awesome. But I, I appreciate all the work you do to curate content for us, but also I want to talk today about things that you've created. You're such a, while you do a lot to curate content, recommend books, the things that you've created, the writing that you've done, and particularly the book I want to talk about today, is it had a profound impact on me while I was reading it. Certainly,

you do such a fantastic job as a clarifying theologian as a helpful voice in many things, whether it's your blog or your books. But this book in particular, I know is more personal to you. I want you to know it also had a more personal impact on me. I'm sure it will on its other readers as well. So as we jump into that, I know a lot of people know about Tim Challey's the author and the content curator. Can you tell us a little bit about

Tim Chalys, the husband, the father? What is your family like? Sure, yeah. I got married to

Aileen in 1998, which means we're coming up on our 25th wedding anniversary, a little bit later this year.

All right, congratulations.

Yeah, thanks.

Milestone that will come up in August.

And interestingly, we anticipate, if all goes according to plan,

that roughly two days before we hit our 25th anniversary,

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