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Sea Camp: To Mine Or Not To Mine

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πŸ—“οΈ 25 August 2025

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Summary

Deep sea mining for rare earth elements could start as early as 2026, even as 38 countries have called for a moratorium on it. The metals that companies are targeting are used in many green technologies like electric cars and wind turbines – but mining them is destructive to the environment. Some in the mining industry say the mining is necessary to a green transition – and essential to democratizing that transition globally since the supply chain is currently dominated by a single country, China. Meanwhile, some scientists caution against mining before the full scope of environmental damage can be understood. Can there be balance in this environmental and political push-and-pull? Hosts Regina G. Barber and Emily Kwong dive into this debate and talk about what science has to say.Β 


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0:00.0

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0:11.5

On the web at theshmit.org.

0:14.9

You're listening to Shorewave from NPR.

0:20.6

Hey, Short Waverver is Regina Barbara here.

0:22.7

And Emily Kwong with news.

0:24.3

We've reached the final episode in our summertime series, Sea Camp.

0:27.8

And our final story brings us back to the ocean floor, the benthic zone.

0:33.2

With one of the most significant human activities in the deep sea, mining.

0:37.7

The deep sea is home to a lot of things.

0:41.0

Animals.

0:42.5

Sand.

0:43.6

But it's also sediment.

0:46.6

But it's also home to nodules of rare earth elements.

0:50.6

Elements used for everything from smartphones to electric cars to fighter jets.

0:54.5

And the ones that are of economic interest are then cobalt, nickel, copper, rare earth elements, lithium, and others.

1:03.0

This is Matthias Heckel, a marine geochemist at Guilmard Helmholt Center for Ocean Research Keel in Germany.

1:10.3

Currently, these metals, cobalt, nickel, copper,

1:13.2

are mined on land, which is super destructive to the environment. So mining companies have long wanted

1:18.6

to open the ocean for commercial mining. But commercial mining in the deep sea is not regulated.

1:24.0

There's no blueprint for how to do it safely. Which is why, for the last decade,

1:29.5

the UN's international seabed authority has worked to draw up regulations, basically rules for

1:34.1

how countries should mine in international waters. At the UN Ocean Summit in early June, the UN's

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