SCOTUS weighs ban on trans athletes in women's sports.
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Isaac Saul
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🗓️ 14 January 2026
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Summary
During oral arguments on Tuesday, the Supreme Court appeared likely to uphold state laws banning anyone other than biological females from participating in women’s and girls’ sports. In West Virginia v. B.P.J., the mother of a transgender girl brought a challenge to a state law in West Virginia; in Little v. Hecox, a transgender woman wishing to compete at the college level challenged an Idaho law. Together, the legal challenges claim the laws violate the 14th Amendment’s Equal Protection Clause and Title IX, a federal law that prohibits sex discrimination in programs that receive federal funding. Although the justices are expected to rule similarly in each case, the Court is considering the challenges separately.
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| 0:00.0 | From executive producer Isaac Saul, this is Tangle. |
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| 0:09.4 | Good morning, good afternoon and good evening. And welcome to the Tangle podcast, a place where you get views from across the political spectrum, some independent thinking, and a little bit of our take. I'm your host today, senior editor, Will Kayback. Today's main story is the oral arguments before the Supreme Court yesterday about state |
| 0:39.6 | laws banning anyone other than biological females from participating in women's and girls' sports. |
| 0:46.8 | Now, these arguments were actually two different cases about specific state laws in West Virginia |
| 0:52.5 | and Idaho, but the court heard arguments on both cases |
| 0:56.2 | at once. So we're going to break down what was said at oral arguments, the read that court watchers |
| 1:02.7 | and us are getting on the cases coming out of those oral arguments, and then some of the |
| 1:07.2 | broader contours of this debate, which we've written about in the past, |
| 1:16.4 | but these cases allow us a chance to revisit them, especially specific to the issue of sports. |
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