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Deep Water | Tortoise Investigates

Science versus the law | The Lab Detective Ep3

Deep Water | Tortoise Investigates

The Observer

True Crime, Society & Culture, Documentary

4.65.8K Ratings

🗓️ 29 July 2025

⏱️ 37 minutes

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Summary

Scientist Carola Vinuesa and her team test their extraordinary genetic discovery in a court of law.


Our thanks to The Francis Crick Institute for sharing recordings and insights. 


Reporter: Rachel Sylvester

Producer: Gary Marshall

Music supervisor: Karla Patella

Sound design: Rowan Bishop

Podcast artwork: Lola Williams

Executive producer: Basia Cummings


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0:00.0

Fancy a fever tree and vodka.

0:03.8

Yes, vodka, not gin.

0:06.7

Because this is fever tree Mexican lime soda.

0:10.0

Yes, soda, not tonic.

0:13.0

With Mexican lime and Japanese yuzu for a zesty, refreshing lime soda that's just sweet enough.

0:19.6

Delicious with vodka or on its own. Fever tree, Mexican lime soda that's just sweet enough. Delicious with vodka or on its own.

0:23.1

Fever tree Mexican lime soda mix with the best.

0:27.7

Hmm, now that hits the spot.

0:31.9

Hello, it's Rachel here.

0:33.9

I'm the reporter on The Lab Detective.

0:36.7

Thank you for listening.

0:38.3

If you're enjoying this podcast, you can listen to all episodes today by subscribing to

0:43.6

the Observer Plus on Apple Podcasts or Spotify or by downloading the Tortus app.

0:49.9

And you can listen to our previous investigations right here on Tortus Investigates from The Observer.

1:00.8

The Observer.

1:06.4

Last time, on the lab detective.

1:09.1

The prosecution was offering a compelling and a unitary explanation.

1:13.8

These children have been murdered.

1:15.6

And the best that defence could do was say, well, we're not so sure they have been.

1:20.3

So we just turn to each other saying, what about count two?

1:25.3

It was just count two.

1:33.4

Because it was one of a perhaps three dozen genes that had already been proven to be linked

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