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John Stadden is the James B. Duke Professor of Psychology and Professor of Biology Emeritus at Duke

University. His new book is Science in an Age of Unreason, which is our topic today. Welcome,

Professor Stadden.

Happy to be here. Thank you. Well, you begin by posing a provocative question. And a huge one.

And I'll give you 10 seconds to answer it. Okay. Has secular humanism made science a religion? There is a whole lot of content and concept and history embedded in that question. Can you just give us actually an introduction to the issue?

Yeah, I mean, this issue arose because of, I wrote a paper years ago called Faith, Fact, and Behaviorism.

And I pointed out that religions have really three aspects to them.

They have the historical aspect, the flood and so on. Then they have the spiritual aspect, belief in angels, God, whatever. And finally,

they have the moral aspect. And my point was that the only thing that matters from a political

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