Scaling Laws: Uncle Sam Buys In: Examining the Intel Deal
The Lawfare Podcast
The Lawfare Institute
4.7 • 6.2K Ratings
🗓️ 29 August 2025
⏱️ 49 minutes
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Summary
Peter E. Harrell, Adjunct Senior Fellow at the Center for a New American Security, joins Kevin Frazier, AI Innovation and Law Fellow at the University of Texas School of Law and a Senior Editor at Lawfare, to examine the White House’s announcement that it will take a 10% share of Intel. They dive into the policy rationale for the stake as well as its legality. Peter and Kevin also explore whether this is just the start of such deals given that President Trump recently declared that “there will be more transactions, if not in this industry then other industries.”
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| 0:00.0 | The following podcast contains advertising. |
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| 0:18.2 | Also, check out Lawfare's other podcast offerings, Rational Security, Chatter, Lawfare No Bull, |
| 0:26.9 | and The Aftermath. It's the Lawfare Podcast. I'm Alan Rosenstein, Associate Professor of Law |
| 0:35.7 | at the University of Minnesota, and a senior editor |
| 0:38.1 | and research director at Lawfare. Today we're bringing you something a little different, |
| 0:42.5 | an episode from our new podcast series, Scaling Laws. It's a creation of Lawfare and the University |
| 0:47.6 | of Texas School of Law, where we're tackling the most important AI and policy questions, |
| 0:52.4 | from new legislation on Capitol Hill to the latest breakthroughs that are happening in the labs. |
| 0:57.1 | We cut through the hype to get you up to speed on the rules, standards, and ideas shaping the future of this pivotal technology. |
| 1:03.7 | If you enjoy this episode, you can find and subscribe to scaling laws wherever you get your podcasts and follow us on X in Blue Sky. |
| 1:10.7 | Thanks for listening. |
| 1:15.6 | When the AI overlords take over, what are you most excited about? It's, it's not crazy. It's |
| 1:25.5 | just smart. And just this year, in the first six months, there have been something like a thousand laws. Who's, it's not crazy. It's just smart. And just this year in the first six months, |
| 1:28.6 | there have been something like a thousand laws. Who's actually building the scaffolding around |
| 1:33.0 | how it's going to work, how everyday folks are going to use it? AI only works if society |
| 1:37.6 | lets it work. There are so many questions have to be figured out and nobody came to my bonus class. |
| 1:43.5 | Let's enforce the rules of the road |
| 1:44.9 | welcome back to scaling laws the podcast brought to you by lawfare and the University of |
| 1:50.7 | Texas School of Law that explores the intersection of AI policy and of course the law I'm |
| 1:56.2 | Kevin Frazier the AI Innovation and Law Fellow at Texas Law and a senior editor at Lawfare. |
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