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We came across a pharmacy with a toy and that's lost it out. We were shot through the broken glass and had ourselves a look around.

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Hello everybody and welcome to Saubones, a marital tour of Miss Guy at Medicine. I'm your co-host Justin McRoy.

And I'm Sydney McRoy.

Well, you gave the pre-boarding announcement last week, so I'll try this week.

Hi, this week we're going to be continuing a two-part series about conversion therapy and is to celebrate Pride Month, which may seem like an odd fit, but we fear it's just as important to reflect on everything that these communities have been through.

So we're going to talk about rich therapy and it is.

Sydney has warned me that it gets pretty rough, so if you are concerned that something that might be triggering for you or what have you.

Just go ahead and hop off here and we will pick you back up next week.

Thank you, Justin.

That being said, so if you haven't listened to our episode from last week and you're about to listen to this one, I would actually recommend you go back and listen to it because I kind of recounted the history.

The idea of conversion therapy where it came from specifically in the psychiatric community, the early theories on it from Freud on.

And the revolution that took place within the medical community as we began to perceive sexual orientation as just a fine way of being that is not in any way an illness or pathological.

It's just different from heterosexuality and is just as okay and isn't something that needs to be diagnosed or treated or anything like that.

So we've already kind of gone through that history and it's a good story that ends with us removing homosexuality from the diagnostic manual of psychiatric disorders and condemning conversion therapy.

And if that were the end of story, that would be great. But unfortunately, that isn't so to kind of take it back as I mentioned before same sex relationships were common throughout history, especially in ancient Greece and Rome and while there were very specific kind of cultural rules about who could penetrate who and where it was generally okay for men to have same sex relationships.

And it wasn't spoken as often for women, but it was generally okay.

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