Welcome to the podcast Think Bivocally, conversations on faith and culture.

I'm your host, Sean McDow, Professor of Apologetics at Talbot School of Theology, Biola University.

And I'm your co-host, Scott Ray, Professor of Christian Ethics and Dean of the Faculty,

also at Talbot School of Theology at Biola University.

We're here today with a guest, a friend of mine, a friend of Biola by the name of

Abd-Dou Murray.

He's a speaker, he's a writer, works with Ravi Zacharice International Ministries, has been a lawyer, and a former Muslim,

the author of a new excellent book I had a chance to endorse called Saving Truth.

Abdu, thanks for coming on the show.

Guys, it's a pleasure to be on, thanks for having me.

We want to jump into the book, but would you be willing to share your story as a former Muslim,

your conversion story to Christ with us a little

bit?

Sure, absolutely.

So I was, you know, the two main branches of Islam are the Sunnis and the Shiites and I was raised as the Shiites and I was pretty serious about that.

They're largely the same in terms of their belief systems and even their practices.

Some minor differences and usually it's really political in terms of the differences but I thought

Islam was true and I thought I had this crazy belief that people should

believe true things and not false things so I went and made my business to

talk to people about who if they were not Muslims about why they were wrong and Islam was right.

And in the area I grew up in it's very diverse now, very very diverse now, but largely then it was sort of it was

sort of homogenously white as it were it was some a few dashes of olive oil

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