From KCRW Santa Monica and KCRW.com, it's The Treatment.

Welcome to the Treatment, the Home Edition. I'm Elvis Mitchell. I've been a fan of my

guests, as many of us have for a long time, because I can't think

of anybody who navigates the world of poetry and brings that from the stage to the screen

better than actor, director, writer, poet, Saul Williams, who's been away from movies

for too long a time now, almost 10 years. His new film is A Killas Escape, written and directed

by Charles Officer Salfour. So it's so good to be talking to me. And welcome back to the big screen.

It's a pleasure to be here. It's a pleasure to talk to you, Elvis. Thank you.

And the last thing I saw you do was the Yilan Gomi Ojoidoui, which is a remarkable movie in a lot of ways like Akila's escape, in which these are two guys who have made a decision about how they're going to be lonely.

It's true. I was just thinking of the connection between the two films myself also because there's so much interior work as an actor that the films called on in terms of, you know, trusting that the camera is catching what's going on inside of the character's mind

because there's not so many words.

We're going to talk about Akiles Escape for a minute.

I mean, the fact that it really boils down the politics of his home.

I mean, we get to see that stuff with Michael Manley and Sega. And it's just really

incredible that it gives this really kinetic origin story at the same time we see him in movement

as an adult. And I just wondered if that stuff was on the page, if these were conversations

you had with a Charles officer and talking about what the movie's going to be because it really

sets the movie apart. It makes it about this kind of PTSD of being for another culture and being

acculturated into America as a person of color. There's just so much going on in that first five

minutes of the movie. Well, yeah, my conversations with Charles definitely centered around

migration. His family migrated to the U.S. and Canada from Jamaica. My family personally migrated

to the U.S. from Haiti. And not enough stories are told about, you know, that migration experience

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