Book your ticket to happiness with Sun Express Airlines. I'm going Miller. Well we have a

rematch officially we've all known this with President Biden and former President Trump

have both officially won enough delegates as of last night to be the presumptive

nominees for the party. Remember it's Wednesday so if you want hot political takes on that head on over to the next level feed

I am here today with a very smart political mind himself old friend Sasha Eisenberg

he is an author and journalist.

His brand new book is The Lie Detectives in search of a playbook for winning elections

in the disinformation age.

Remember, Sasha, he wrote the Victory Lab in 2012 about the Obama data nerds and he also wrote a magnum opus about gay marriage called the engagement.

We might do some gay stuff at the end.

Sasha, thanks for doing this brother.

Thanks for having me, Tim.

Great to be with you.

Before we get to your book, any big grand thoughts about Joe Biden, Donald Trump, part

duh and how we got here?

I mean, the one thing that just as somebody who's

dreading just the kind of soul-crushing nature of this election season we have

in front of us that maybe got me excited? Listen to the Bullwork podcast more.

That's how you can handle the crushing dread, you know?

Was like Trump's comments about entitlement programs on CNBC this week, which just like,

it was this glimmer of return to old politics like maybe

we'll just have you know stupid Democratic demagoguery on entitlement cuts like

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