Hi, it's Mike, it's Saturday. It's the Saturday show. Sometimes I play one from the week.

Sometimes I play another show I was on. But today I wanted to play a straight up conversation that I did.

It's just so very different from the sort of conversations that we play on the gist. I will talk about and to people in the arts. But this is really,

this is a playwright, Sarah Ruhl. I've seen a few of her plays. She's really good. And she

wrote a book about her teachers and both my parents are teachers and my sister is a teacher.

And of my in-laws, 50% were teachers. So actually, that's historically true of all

my in-laws and all my life. So let me say I was attracted to a book about lessons from Sarah's

teachers and we compared those lessons. And then I talked about a little of the craft of playwriting

and what she learned. I enjoyed spending time with her. Like I said,

it's a little, it's a few degrees off the normal vibe of the gist, but I enjoy the conversation.

I hope you will too on of playwright Sarah Rule.

She wrote Eurytasy, and she wrote The Vibrator Play.

It has a longer title, but we all know it is the vibrator play.

And now she's out with a book about teachers. It is called Lessons from My Teachers. And since my

parents were both teachers, and I like Sarah Rule. And since it's a really good book,

I decided to have her on. This is sometimes how the bookings go. Hello, Sarah. Welcome to the Gist.

Hello. So nice to meet you. So teachers are important, but are they more important than a student's

willingness to be open to teaching? That is such a beautiful question. It's funny. I think I've always taken it for granted and myself

that I was the kind of student who was open to teaching and sort of search for teachers and revered

teachers. And I think in the course of writing the book, when I talked to many people about

who was an important figure in their life, mentor, teacher,

and I talked to a couple of people, including my sister, who said, oh, I don't really add one.

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