You're not going to be here. Welcome to Straight White American Jesus. My name is Pat O'Nishi, Associate Professor,

Religious Studies at Skidmore College. And I have a, I'm just so excited about our guests today.

Somebody who I came across and just researching various aspects of the nuns

and secular people in this country and the Democratic National Committee and all kinds of things.

So I am joined today by Sarah Levin.

Sarah is the founder of secular strategies, which is a consulting firm that is mobilizing secular voters

and leveraging interfaith coalitions.

And one of the missions is to counter the religious right

with a pluralist left.

And Sarah has been working in this area a long time,

worked for the Secular Coalition for America,

as the director of a grassroots and community program,

of governmental affairs was instrumental in the establishment of the first ever secular

caucus in the Texas Democratic Party and is now a co-chair of the Interfaith Council at the Democratic National Committee.

So Sarah, there's so many things I want to talk to you about, but first I just want to say,

thanks for being here. I'm really grateful.

Thanks so much for having me.

I'm drawn to your, to all the work you're doing because you know you're you're somebody who's

establishing and mobilizing coalitions for secular voters that you are part of interfaith work that is

fascinating so I want to get into all that let me that you are part of interfaith work. That is fascinating.

So I want to get into all that.

Let me just start by asking you about your story,

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