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Hello, we humans have always been fascinated by our primate cousins. Of course

studying these animals also helps us figure out the evolutionary puzzle of what

makes us uniquely human. But there's a tendency to focus on male behavior in this puzzle, bolstering stereotypes of the male

aggressor and the passive female.

My guest today has worked to counter this bias, studying female primate behavior to create a richer picture

of our evolutionary biology, as well as what it means to be a woman.

Sarah Blafferherdee is an American anthropologist and primatologist and professor

Emeritor at UC Davis in California. Her overarching aim, she says, is to understand the

human condition.

It's a goal she initially planned to pursue by becoming a novelist.

But instead, she found her way into science,

making her name as a primatologist studying

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