Sandor Katz: Fermentation as catalyst for social transformation

Green Dreamer: Seeding change towards collective healing, sustainability, regeneration

kaméa chayne

Nature, Alternative Health, Society & Culture, Philosophy, Health & Fitness, Science

4.9 • 661 Ratings

🗓️ 4 March 2025

⏱️ 52 minutes

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What does it mean to recognize that so much of the world has become “anti-microbial”? Why is it that some bacteria make us sick while others are vital to our wellbeing? And how can we understand social transformation as a form of fermentation?

In this episode, we are joined by fermentation revivalist Sandor Katz, who guides us through the foundations of what fermentation is.

Sink into this discussion as we explore the ways that wild fermentation invites us to deepen our relationship to place and our local environments.

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0:00.0	Hey, it's your host, Kamea. I just wanted to quickly share that Alchemize, our 12-week audio-based program of daily imagination and creative practices, is now open for enrollment again. My personal favorite theme from the program is Into Otherness, where I personally lead a practice called You Are Water, and some of our past guests lead
0:22.2	invitations like, you are a honeybee, or you are lichen, or you are fermenting.
0:28.1	There are also grounding practices to support you to re-web yourself within your more-than-human
0:33.2	community, and so much more. The question I had was, what could it be like to go beyond just
0:39.0	thinking about the topics that we often discuss on the show and to engage them in more
0:44.2	interactive and embodied ways? If this speaks to you, I welcome you to join us today at
0:49.7	greendreamer.com slash alchemize. I've been living in the midst of what I would describe as the war on bacteria.
0:57.7	And this idea that bacteria are scary, we need to avoid bacteria to try to destroy them by any
1:03.6	means necessary.
1:04.8	But I think that, you know, sort of the error in this simplistic thinking is the fact that
1:10.7	our greatest protection from the very relatively
1:13.5	small range of bacteria that can be problems for us is sort of a thriving, biodiverse
1:22.0	population of bacteria on our bodies, on all the surfaces, in our intestines, as well as in our food.
1:36.3	You're listening to Green Dreamer, and I'm your host, Kamea Shane.
1:41.7	Today we're honored to welcome Sandoor Alex Katz, a fermentation revivalist and the author of
1:48.5	Wild Fermentation, The Art of Fermentation, The Revolution Will Not Be Microwave, Firmutation as
1:55.7	metaphor, and his latest fermentation journeys. Sandor's books, along with the hundreds of fermentation
2:03.3	workshops he's led around the world, have helped to catalyze a broad revival of the fermentation
2:09.1	arts. I would love to begin just by welcoming you to share a little bit about your background
2:16.5	as it relates to how you first
2:18.2	became interested in fermentation. So how did this curiosity and devotion kind of start for you?
2:25.4	Well, I mean, there were a few different stages of the development of my interest in fermentation.
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