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This is Intelligence Matters, with former acting director of the CIA, Michael Morrell.

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Your mission is ours.

One of the things that I often think about is, wow, you know, in 1979 when my mother was

trying to bring my younger mother and me here to this country, if the mere fact that someone

had carried out a terrorist act in my homeland meant that my whole religion was branded or

meant that my country was somehow put on a visa ban or a travel ban list, I wouldn't

have come here.

And so this redefinition of what America is, I think, will do all of us a great disservice

if it persists.

You've become a member of President Obama's national security team.

What was it like for an idealist to walk into what is typically a very pragmatic environment?

Well, I think the biggest challenge is to break down a sense that there's that dichotomy.

There are, at times, trade-offs, right, between the need to confront a terrorist threat that

is brewing and, you know, the recognition that the more that a government that we are partnering

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