You know, that 1.4 trillion you mentioned, we'll spend it over a very long period of time.

I wish we could do it faster.

I think it would be great to just lay it out for everyone once and for all how those numbers are going to work.

Exponential growth is usually very hard for people.

OpenAI CEO Sam Altman joins us to talk about OpenAI's plan to win as the AI race Titans,

how the infrastructure math makes sense and when an OpenAI IPO might be coming.

And Sam is with us here in studio today.

Sam, welcome to the show.

Thanks for having me.

So OpenAI is 10 years old.

It's crazy to me.

Chatchiputee is three.

But the competition is intensifying.

This place where at OpenAI headquarters was in a code red, is in a code red after Gemini 3 came out. And everywhere you look, there are companies that are trying to take a little bit of Open AI's advantage. And for the first time, I can remember, it doesn't seem like this company has a clear

lead. So I'm curious to hear your perspective on how open AI will emerge from this moment and

win. First of all, on the code red point, we view those as like relatively low stakes,

somewhat frequent things to do. I think that it's good to be paranoid and act quickly when a potential competitive threat emerges. This has happened us in the past that happened earlier this year with DeepSeek. There was a code read back then too. Yeah. There's there's a saying about pandemics, which is something like when, when a pandemic starts,

every bit of action you take at the beginning is worth much more than action you take later.

And most people don't do enough early on and then panic later.

And you certainly saw that during the COVID pandemic.

But I sort of think of that philosophy is how we respond to competitive threats.

And, you know, I think it's good to be a little paranoid.

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