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This is Fresh Air. I'm Dave Davies. Today we're going to listen to the interview Terry Gross

recorded last year with Jamaican poet Sophia Sinclair when her memoir How to Say Babylon

was published. The book is now out in paperback. I'll let Terry introduce it.

My guest Sophia Sinclair grew up in a Rasta family in Montego Bay, Jamaica. Her father is a reggae singer and guitarist. Her hair was twisted into dreadlocks until she was 19. Here's what being Rasta meant in her life.

Men ruled. Women were subservient. Women's place was as mother, cook, and homemaker.

The outside world was Babylon, corrupt, debauched, or associated with

colonialism or the police. The people in Babylon were heathen and to be avoided. God, Jaa, was highly Salasi, who was the emperor of Ethiopia from 1930 to 1974.

His portrait, Sinclair writes, was exalted and worshipped in the many rented homes

of her childhood.

There were rules, lots of rules, about what she could eat,

how to dress, who she was forbidden to befriend. she came to realize that for her being

Rasta meant living in a cage she had to find a way out. It was through reading and

writing poems that she came to better know herself, and to break out of the cage

and enter the larger world.

When she was still in her teens, her poems were published in the Jamaica Observer Literary

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