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Kirstama is facing a major rebellion from Labour MPs over his welfare reforms. Is the government

in crisis? I'm Anoushia Kellyan and this is the New Statesman podcast. The government is trying

to pass welfare reforms which would make it harder for people to access personal independence payments, PIP, the main disability benefit, and cut the rate of the health

element of universal credit. They're aiming to save £5 billion a year by 2030. But Labour MPs

aren't happy. So far, over 120 of them have signed an amendment demanding the chance to vote on a

proposal to reject the plans. Kirstama has vowed to press ahead with the changes, but our political

editor Andrew Maher reported for the new statesman this week that moderate Labour MPs are calling

for Kirstama to sack Rachel Reeves, or he could be over, done, finished. Andrew is with me in the studio now, along with our senior editor, George Eaton.

Hello, both of you.

Hi, I mean.

Andrew, could Rachel Reeves really go over this?

Anything can happen at this stage.

I think it's extremely unlikely.

I don't think this, your question right at the beginning, is the Labour government in crisis?

Answer, absolutely

yes. Is this a crisis likely to lead to a series of sacking and emotions and people jumping

off parapets in the short term? I think probably no. But the feelings about Rachel Reeves on the

back benches almost amount to hatred at the moment. They are really, really, really angry with her.

They blame her completely for the winter fuel allowance and then the U-turn and they're getting

terrible reactions in the constituencies and they say to me again and again, we're not going to do it

again for her. We're not going to do it again for her on benefit cuts. Be led up to the top

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