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S8 Ep955: (1) In 92 AD, at their Londinium wine bar, Gaius and Germanicus critique the "American way of war," arguing it has failed by abandoning war's sacred ritual roots. In antiquity, war forged civic bonds and served as an apotheosis where performance and sacri

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John Batchelor

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🗓️ 1 June 2026

⏱️ 32 minutes

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(1) In 92 AD, at their Londinium wine bar, Gaius and Germanicus critique the "American way of war," arguing it has failed by abandoning war's sacred ritual roots. In antiquity, war forged civic bonds and served as an apotheosis where performance and sacrifice mattered more than victory. They contrast the "nation in arms" with the modern "emperor system" that relies on hired soldiers. Citing Spartan mothers who wept for surviving sons and celebrated the fallen, they emphasize that honor was the true goal. The transition to "whole of government" strategies reflects a late-Roman decline.
550 BCE

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0:00.0

Greetings. This is the Friends of History Debating Society. I am in Lundinium with my good friend and colleague of many years.

0:13.7

Germanicus. We are in our wine bar. We're now minority participants, minority owners of the wine bar.

0:21.7

We note that the Centurians retired all who are crowding in.

0:26.3

I've asked if they can contribute and invest in the wine bar

0:29.6

because we're becoming very popular, thanks to Germanicus' storytelling.

0:34.8

And we'll find a way, you know, when centurions retired, depending upon the year and the legion,

0:43.5

they are very generously rewarded by the Imperator.

0:47.7

That was true under Augustus, less true under Tiberius, but after that, Caligua didn't get much of a chance

0:56.7

to do anything but buy off the Praetorian Guard. Claudius was generous. Nero wanted to be

1:02.0

generous, invariably, espatian is generous, demission is generous, and so they retire with packages and they want to invest.

1:14.0

And I think we can find a way. We have to consult with our lawyers, guys, but have a seat.

1:19.6

Everybody sit down.

1:21.3

Germanicus, I mentioned that we have, we're privileged to have two veterans of the 13th Legion here.

1:31.3

They are memory of Bautica.

1:41.5

When they joined as young men, they were in the same cohort as the men who fought Baudaca and the tribes in 60. And so they have stories to tell of what the stories they

1:47.5

were told. They didn't participate. They were told stories in the barrack. So we hope we can

1:54.3

come to that, if not today. Bodega is a great favorite in the 21st century of the of the historians of Great Britain, and it should be.

2:04.0

It's a wonderful story.

2:05.2

I don't know that we've ever told it, Jimenez.

2:07.6

We've referred to it, but I don't know if we have ever told it.

2:11.6

Some years ago, we talked about it a bit.

2:14.0

It was a mixture of Roman pride and misbehavior and relentlessness and a tribute to

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