I'm John Batchler. Conversation with my good colleague, Gordon Chang. What is to be done with the People's Republic of China's threats and remarks and rudeness about Taiwan and about the U.S. support of Taiwan? What is to be done? Gordon has a very firm, very firm recommendation. Do not be intimidated. Here, Gordon will tell you.

We are the audience because China's primary form of diplomacy, especially under Xi Jinping, has been intimidation.

So they try to tell us they have red lines. But they really don't because although they talk about principal diplomacy, quote unquote, they really don't, because although they talk about principal diplomacy,

quote unquote, they really don't have any principles. Their diplomacy changes depending on

their assessment of the relative strength of them versus whomever or them versus the world.

So even Taiwan is not a red line.

It may be something that Xi Jinping really wants.

It's something that Xi Jinping has staked his credibility on.

But other than Xi Jinping, who knows what they'll do.

And we have seen some very interesting statements from the Communist Party throughout its history on Taiwan that do not suggest a red line. So we shouldn't be intimidated by what they say.