S8 Ep898: Kevin Frazier argues that any mandatory AI vetting must originate from Congress, as the President lacks the constitutional authority. He suggests deepening technical expertise and maintaining voluntary cooperation with AI labs. (16/16)
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John Batchelor
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🗓️ 20 May 2026
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| 0:00.0 | I'm John Batson with Kevin Fraser, and we're about to come to the what can be done |
| 0:19.9 | and when and why and where |
| 0:22.6 | are the resources. This requires a little history. It turns out that once upon a time there |
| 0:28.8 | was a president named Truman, who was restrained from being really angry at the steel industry |
| 0:34.9 | because it wanted to go on strike and during a national emergency |
| 0:37.7 | or something close to it. This came up again with President Kennedy many years later. |
| 0:43.0 | And it turns out the all-powerful executive of the United States Constitution doesn't have the |
| 0:48.4 | power to direct a steel mill, let alone AI. Something needs to be done. Did I say that correctly, Kevin? |
| 0:55.5 | Yes, you are getting to the heart of the issue, John, which is to say that we've long known |
| 1:00.3 | in our constitutional order that we have to afford the president a significant amount of authority |
| 1:06.1 | and a sort of energetic spirit, especially when it comes to questions of national security. |
| 1:11.5 | But our Constitution outlines a government of limited, enumerated powers. |
| 1:16.4 | And that applies to the executive branch as well. |
| 1:19.4 | And so from cases like Youngstown Steel, we know that there are limitations on what the president |
| 1:24.9 | can do even in matters of significant national and economic |
| 1:29.6 | distress. And so it's important that as we hear more people start to think about, hey, what are |
| 1:35.7 | the long-term ramifications of AI on the economy, on geopolitics, so on and so forth, that we do |
| 1:41.7 | not acquiesce to the sort of temptation for action and therefore |
| 1:47.3 | grant the executive branch unconstitutional or perhaps excessive grants of power and instead |
| 1:53.6 | make sure we're going through the proper channels, namely through Congress, to get ahead of some |
| 1:59.1 | of these public policy concerns so that we can do so on a more |
| 2:02.7 | legitimate and enduring basis. You've been writing recently up to this moment about state |
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