S8 Ep823: Fanell and Thayer compare modern U.S. policy to Britain's disastrous "10-year rule" after WWI, which hindered defense readiness. Fanell reflects on how the U.S. Navy ignored the rising PRC threat during the 1990s. They criticize the U.S. for maintaining e
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🗓️ 4 May 2026
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| 0:00.0 | I'm John Batchel with Jim Fennell and Brad Thayer. Their new book is Embracing Communist China, |
| 0:11.6 | America's greatest strategic failure, while the PLA Navy is demonstrating its threat against the |
| 0:18.3 | ally, Taiwan, and the whole of Western Pacific threatened by the PLA Navy, |
| 0:24.5 | including our allies in Japan and the Philippines and Australia. |
| 0:28.6 | We look to 1919, as Jim and Brad have identified, as a moment when the British Empire lost |
| 0:35.7 | the Second World War. |
| 0:40.1 | Why? Because Germany was in ruins, |
| 0:47.0 | nothing to worry about. In fact, let us help them as best we can with our diplomats, |
| 0:53.7 | but not too much. Let them sort it out. Let them use the Weimar and the parliament and their own disorder with communism. |
| 0:57.0 | And we can take confidence of the 10-year rule. |
| 1:00.8 | Jim, what was the 10-year rule that the British Empire employed in 1919 that led to the defeat of |
| 1:07.7 | 1940? |
| 1:09.3 | I'm going to let Brad answer that one. |
| 1:11.5 | Well, I'm happy to. |
| 1:13.7 | Jim, the 10-year rule was put in place by defense planners in the United Kingdom. |
| 1:21.0 | And the idea was that for the next 10 years, there would not be a major conflict that would involve the UK. |
| 1:29.2 | So as a consequence, you didn't have to spend money, right? |
| 1:32.1 | That money would not be spent by the exchequer on defense, but would be spent on other |
| 1:38.2 | priorities. |
| 1:38.9 | Now, that was overturned in the early 30s when the British recognized that the world had changed, the distribution |
| 1:45.6 | of power had changed significantly, but that lost decade, more than a decade, that had a profound |
| 1:53.8 | effect, really, in hindering what was often called the fourth arm of defense. It's not just the Navy, |
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