S8 Ep819: Continuous Creation and the Discovery of the Hiss The "Steady State" theory was famously conceptualized after Fred Hoyle and his colleagues, Thomas Gold and Hermann Bondi, watched the looping narrative of the horror film Dead of Night, leading them to pro
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| 0:00.0 | This is CBSI and the world. I'm John Batchel, visiting with Professor Paul Halpern, |
| 0:05.2 | Professor of Physics at the University of the Sciences in Philadelphia. His new book is Flashes |
| 0:09.4 | of Creation, George Gamoff, Fred Hoyle, and the Great Big Bang Debate. We are now after the |
| 0:15.6 | Second War, and our two protagonists, Fred Hoyle at Cambridge and George Gamoff at George Washington |
| 0:22.6 | University, are looking at the big topics of the moment, which is cosmology, but particle |
| 0:29.7 | physics combined with cosmology, and 46, 47, 48 are critical moments in the development |
| 0:37.3 | of these competing or parallel theories. |
| 0:41.4 | There is a wonderful moment, however. It is either 46 or 47. Our hero, Mr. Hoyle, and two of his |
| 0:50.0 | colleagues at Cambridge, Bondi and Gold, watch a movie called The Dead of Night. It is a horror |
| 0:57.4 | movie, a scary movie that ends with the beginning and begins with an ending. It's looped. A dream |
| 1:04.8 | that becomes a nightmare that becomes a fact. And at the end of this, they have a breakthrough. |
| 1:10.5 | What is it, Paul? |
| 1:12.2 | So after seeing this movie, which has a twist ending where the nightmare is repeated again and |
| 1:21.3 | again, they went back to Bondi's apartment in Cambridge, had a few drinks. And over drinks, Tommy Gold said, well, |
| 1:30.3 | what if the universe is like that? So they thought about it and they said, well, maybe we can |
| 1:35.0 | design a model of the universe that even though it expands, new matter fills in the gaps. |
| 1:41.4 | So it pretty much looks the same forever. So as the galaxies move apart from |
| 1:46.0 | each other, then new matter slowly trickles in. That matter clusters, eventually form stars, and |
| 1:53.4 | finally forms galaxies. So I like to think of the difference between the Big Bang and the steady |
| 1:59.8 | state as having to do with |
| 2:01.6 | stadium seating. So imagine, let's say, Yankee Stadium, people are watching a ball game, |
| 2:07.6 | and then suddenly there's an announcement on a loudspeaker that you need to move back, |
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