I'm John Batchel with Alejandro Pina Escluza and Ernesto Arruzra, former foreign minister of

the Republic of Brazil.

Alejandro tells us there's a meeting in Barcelona of the left of center wave over these last

years, represented by Petro of Colombia, alluded to Silva of Brazil, Chloe Scheinbaum of Mexico,

and others. However, it's all about Brazil. When Brazil,

you've won the year. And, Ernesto, we missed you last week, but you were very busy. I've been

watching the polls closely. Right now, Flavio Bolsonaro, having never campaigned at the presidential level, is doing

very well. He's also a dead ringer for his dad. Wow. Two men cannot look more alike.

It fools me every time I see a photograph of him. His campaign is doing very well. What explains

this? Because this is a first time at this altitude for him.

Yes, John. Yeah, Flav is doing very well in the polls. There's even speculation that Lula might

give up on running because this will be his last election, he's 81, and he doesn't want to end his political career with a defeat.

So there's already serious rumors about that. But in any case, yeah, Flavio became totally viable

and even maybe a favorite to win the elections. I believe because, of course, the force of the Bolsonaro name,

but because of the force of what the Bolsonaro name represents, right,

represents the hope for clean governance in Brazil, right?

People still associate Lula and the whole power structure that you have now with widespread

corruption.

And you have recently had new scandals of corruption linked one way or another to Lula and to that power system.

You have the Banco Master scandal, the financial scandal, and also the

scandal of the social security frauds to the amount of at least the $20 billion, which

possibly imply President Lula's son. So it's even more than a question of left and right of more social

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