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Today. I'm John Bachelor, Gordon Chang at Gordon-Gee-Chang, and we're very pleased to look at the U.S. Navy from the point of view of someone who's extremely well-informed,

Rebecca Grant, Vice President of the Lexington Institute.

And what have we learned about the Strait of Hormuz, about the capability of the U.S. Navy,

about these weeks of not knowing what is required next, given the non-transparency of the Tehran regime and the excitability of the White House.

Rebecca, a very good day to you.

The Navy's performance, as far as I can see, was first-rate.

There are questions, though, about what was learned dealing with heretofore a well-known choke point that is freedom of the seas

but was put under extreme pressure by a rogue actor that would be Iran. Lessons learned, Rebecca,

good day to you. So many lessons out of Operation Epic Fury. The number one being, yes, U.S. air power can achieve incredible goals. I think for the Navy, we've seen a tremendous success by the USS Abraham Lincoln.

Those pilots are going to come back telling us that they launched a lot. They flew long missions. They defended the carrier and the

strike group and did some tremendous work as well. I think the same is going to be true for

carrier airwing eight up on the USS Gerald R. Ford, despite the fire that took her back into

port. She was really only in for repairs for a few days, and she's now back out in the med. No damage to the

air wing or to the operational parts of the carrier itself. You always fire at sea is always

serious, but I think the Ford has done very well. So both our Nimitz class and our Ford class carrier

really excelling in this. But I think the concentration of naval assets for Operation Epic Fury

is really going to affect the Navy planners. This took so many destroyers and other surface ships

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