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with Indeed. do it the right way with indeed i'm john bachelor i welcome gordon chang at G. Chang, my colleague and co-host, and our colleague, Charles Burton, the author of The Very Helpful, The Beaver and the Dragon, the story of Canada's trade relationship and, in fact, relationship in general with the People's Republic of China up to this point in time.

It serves as a model for how the U.S. has conducted itself.

But right now, we're in unexplored territory, anticipating a meeting between the chief

executive of the administration, Mr. Trump, and Xi Jinping, the head of the Chinese Communist Party,

sometime in the month of May, we're told that date is subject to adjustment. At the same time,

we have what now is an Indo-Pacific trade pact being discussed again in general. This was

something left from the, I believe, the campaign

of 2012, maybe it was 2016. I can never remember exactly when this was a hot story. I'll say

both those dates and I'll be corrected. But it's back in the conversation. And so I welcome

Gordon to explain what the Indo-Pacific Trade Pact

represents now, given all of this excitement over tariffs the last year. Good day to you, Gordon.

Good day, John. There have been discussions for quite some time about trade packs in the Indo-Pacific,

including the Trans-Pacific Partnership that the Obama administration sponsored and which President Trump, in his first term, pulled us out.

But countries in the region want to trade, they've got various packs that they've been sponsoring,

and now China wants candidates' help into the most recent iteration.

So this is going to be interesting to see how Ottawa deals with this, because China has

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