I'm John Bachelor, Gordon Chang at Gordon G. Chang, my colleague and co-hosts,

and we're very pleased to welcome our colleague of long-term,

Victoria Coates, Vice President of the Heritage Foundation, former Deputy National Security Advisor,

to comment on the conflicts around the globe. The conflicts do not easily make themselves separate.

They all seem to be coming together with that philosophy of history observation

that when small wars go on long enough, they all become one war.

It certainly can look that way.

Victoria, I note that the conflict in the Gulf involves China.

Certainly China is waiting for delivery of oil that is not coming. The conflict in the Gulf involves China. Certainly China's waiting for delivery of oil

that is not coming. The conflict in Ukraine involves China because we have repeated evidence

and China's not hiding it, that it's contributing to the war effort with parts and machinery

and support and probably money. Russia's attack on Ukraine.

We have China everywhere in the Middle East because it's a participant in it looking to undermine the confidence of the United States' presence in North Africa and in the Middle East.

And in the Americas, well, Cuba, for heaven's sake, there's a very large Chinese listening post,

maybe more than one in Cuba, sitting there 90 miles from Miami. They don't even want to

disguise it. So, Victoria, do I say wrongly, am I too cold warish, am I senior for the contest today,

to say it looks to me like the not so invisible hand

that used to be the Soviet is now the Chinese communist. Good day to you, Victoria.

Well, good day, John. Good day, Gordon. I think you're not too Cold Warish at all. And as a matter

of fact, at Heritage, we published a couple of years ago

a report called the New Cold War and really laying out the fact that that China could not be

domesticated under its current leadership, that they were not playing by any stretch of the

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