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Comments by Douglas Messier, my colleague, about Elon Musk's involvement in SpaceX

and why Elon Musk switched from Mars, which was the inspiration for many years of development of SpaceX, to the moon.

Doug makes a very, very straightforward Hollywood explanation, follow the money.

Here's Doug Messier to explain the new Elon Musk and SpaceX, and the challenge ahead for moon landing, which was never

part of Musk's presentation for many years.

More tonight.

I think he's hanging back, from what I've heard, that he's not as involved with SpaceX as

he used to be.

Right.

I guess he's got all these other things.

You know, I think he goes where the money is,

and the money is that NASA is going to establish a lunar base,

and also that they have a contract with NASA to fulfill for a lunar lander.

And that's unfortunately what happened with that contract is that instead of having a

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