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This is John Batchelor, a conversation with my colleague, Charles Burton, about a man named Roy,

who lives in Shanghai and funds organizations to undermine the confidence of the American people

in their own government.

And the larger story of the Chinese state, state security and other aspects of the Beijing apparatus,

seeking to stoke the most radical statements in protests that are permitted in the U.S.

and would never be permitted in China.

Here's Charles to comment.

Much more of this tonight with our colleague Gordon Shang as well.

Yes, and funding for organizations.

So I think that when you look at particularly radical pro-Palestinian demonstrations

or anti-Iran war demonstrations or demonstrations opposing NATO support for Ukraine.

When you look at them carefully, you find the most radical elements seem to have some Chinese connection.

And so I think it's much, much more perversive than we realize.

And that this Fox expose of Mr. Singham is really

just the tip of the iceberg, that handing the money to these organizations is one thing, but

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