S8 Ep655: 4. Roman Exceptionalism and the Complexity of Power Guest Authors: Scott McGill and Susanna Wright (7) The final discussion addresses the *Aeneid* as a document of Roman exceptionalism, justifying Augustus’s empire as a divinely ordained destiny. Howeve
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🗓️ 29 March 2026
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The final discussion addresses the *Aeneid* as a document of Roman exceptionalism, justifying Augustus’s empire as a divinely ordained destiny. However, McGill and Wright argue the poem transcends mere propaganda by emphasizing the human scale and showing sympathy for Aeneas’s adversaries, Dido and Turnus. They interpret Virgil’s portrayal of weak or coercive kings as a potential critique of the era’s shifting power dynamics. Ultimately, the work reflects the "veneer of Republicanism" Augustus maintained while establishing absolute rule, making the *Aeneid* a complex exploration of political transition and the hazards of individual power. (8)
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| 0:00.0 | This is CBSI on the world. |
| 0:05.4 | I'm John Batchel. |
| 0:06.4 | It's great fun to spend time with two classicists who have translated the Aeneid because |
| 0:12.1 | I'm aware of the fact that we're telling a whopper of a tale in pieces. |
| 0:16.2 | You know, it's like this is the thriller highlights that we put up on the screen for you to watch the whole movie. |
| 0:24.3 | So we'll come now to the history of this incredible whopper. |
| 0:29.7 | Scott, it came to me as I was reading over not necessarily looking for it, |
| 0:36.3 | that they kept coming back and back justification for the civil |
| 0:40.5 | war conduct of the Romans, and that they were destined, that word is overused here. |
| 0:46.6 | It was written in stone, and the gods agreed that Rome would be founded by these violent |
| 0:53.4 | events, and that everything in the future would be predicted at the time of the founding of the city, including the battle of the success that Octavian had, becoming the emperor. |
| 1:04.7 | So at some point it occurred to me, I said, this is Roman exceptionalism. |
| 1:10.1 | That's how this document could be used. |
| 1:12.3 | Was it used that way, Scott? |
| 1:14.9 | I think it's, as you say, it certainly could be, |
| 1:17.6 | and I do believe it was, and I believe it's been read like that until today, right, |
| 1:23.2 | as a document justifying Rome. |
| 1:25.0 | And the idea that Rome is the faded power of the world, |
| 1:28.6 | the faded empire of the world, that is written into the poem, I think, without question, right? |
| 1:33.1 | Certainly certain passages in the poem, one in book one, in book one in book eight, |
| 1:38.4 | they explicitly make the case. There are ways they're kind of complicating that reading, |
| 1:42.4 | but I do think it's there. |
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