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S8 Ep652: 11. Planning the Assassination with a Mountaineer’s Ice Pick Guest: Josh Ireland Summary: Following a failed armed raid, the NKVD tasks Ramon with murdering Trotsky. They select an ice pick for the attack to ensure a silent kill that carries a brutal, sym

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🗓️ 28 March 2026

⏱️ 13 minutes

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11. Planning the Assassination with a Mountaineer’s Ice Pick Guest: Josh Ireland Summary: Following a failed armed raid, the NKVD tasks Ramon with murdering Trotsky. They select an ice pick for the attack to ensure a silent kill that carries a brutal, symbolic impact. (11)
1924

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0:00.0

I'm John Batson with Josh Ireland, who's very much helping me through the chronology of the NKVD,

0:22.8

who won Trotsky dead, but are not quite sure how they're going to do it. And one night in May

0:27.9

of 1940, they send gunmen, most of whom appear to have never touched a gun before. And they blast

0:34.9

their way through the walls of the house where Trotsky is staying, but miss him,

0:38.6

miss his wife, miss everybody in the building.

0:40.9

I think there's a wound on the foot of Trotsky's grandchild.

0:45.3

That's the worst that can happen.

0:47.0

It's bad, but it's not what they hoped.

0:49.5

They run away.

0:50.4

Some of them get arrested by the Mexican police.

0:53.4

The NKVD might interrupt the prosecution of them.

0:57.0

Remember, Mexico is a benign country at this point. There's no death penalty. You just put people

1:02.2

in jail forever if they are lawbreakers. Trotsky is now in a fortress aware that the

1:08.5

NKVD has tried and failed to kill him.

1:16.4

However, we're following the story of the Marquodars, the family mother, Karadad Marqadar,

1:21.1

and her son Ramon are in the circle around Trotsky.

1:23.5

The way they've done that is Ramon is a deceiver.

1:26.6

And that's important to establish to me, Josh.

1:29.7

Ramon is false to everybody he meets.

1:30.8

He's got so many names.

1:31.6

I got lost.

1:34.1

We're calling him Ramon because that was his real name.

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