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S8 Ep588: 3. The final segment shifts to the history of political assassination, specifically the rivalry between Stalin and Trotsky. Stalin utilized state power and paranoia to exile and eventually murder Trotsky in Mexico with an ice pick, yet Trotsky remained

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John Batchelor

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4.52.8K Ratings

🗓️ 16 March 2026

⏱️ 17 minutes

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3. The final segment shifts to the history of political assassination, specifically the rivalry between Stalin and Trotsky. Stalin utilized state power and paranoia to exile and eventually murder Trotsky in Mexico with an ice pick, yet Trotsky remained a romantic icon for the Western left. Gaius and Germanicus apply this lesson to the 21st century, arguing that the attempted "decapitation" of Iranian leadershiphas backfired. Instead of ending the regime, the strike has renewed the Islamic Republic’s "lease on life,"much like the Nazi invasion inadvertently strengthened the Soviet Union. The debate concludes as the hosts prepare to watch Aeschylus’s play, *The Persians*, which depicts the defeat of Xerxes. They reflect on the "tragic irony" of the current war: the US sought to eliminate a threat but instead unified its enemies and wrecked the global economy through $120 oil. (3)
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0:00.0

Quickly now, because Germanicus and I want to get a good seat at the theater tonight,

0:09.4

they're doing a scene from the Persians, which is a very long play, and we're not going to see the whole thing.

0:14.8

I hope we see the scene where Xerces says, I'm beaten. It's great.

0:19.3

It's about a battle and fighting the Persians and

0:22.3

Xerces is the great king and the worthy Greeks defeat him. But, hustling on, we're going to

0:30.2

very quickly dispense with this item. It has to do with political assassination. Once upon a time, there were two men,

0:40.8

one coming from the obscure parts of Belarus, the other one coming from the obscure parts

0:47.1

of Georgia, not Belarus, Ukraine, obscure parts of Ukraine, obscure parts of Ukraine, that's Trotsky,

0:53.9

and the obscure parts of Georgia, that's Stalin.

0:57.9

They had different names when they were children.

1:01.7

Trotsky was called Bronstein, Lev Bronstein,

1:05.5

and Stalin was called Jugashvili.

1:07.8

But they shed those and took on revolutionary names.

1:13.6

Trotsky doesn't remember the first time he saw Stalin they he knows they were at a party conference together but it's impossible for him

1:19.4

to remember because Stalin was insignificant at the moment lenin was alive and lenin depended upon

1:25.9

trotsky as a magnificent public speaker.

1:29.2

This is a man without university, without the army, without money, without marriage,

1:34.3

all of a sudden coming alive before a room full of Bolshevik.

1:38.6

He'd originally been a Menshevik, but Lenin realized his talent was to wow the audience with rhetoric.

1:45.8

He spoke several languages.

1:47.2

He was self-taught very, very bright all the time, read constantly.

1:52.7

Was a misanthrope, did not mix well, did not go to parties, did not backslap.

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