I'm John Baxter, speaking with Victor Davis-Hanson.

His new book is The Dying Citizen.

America's success is built on the middle classes,

and the middle-classes success is built on the Constitution of our founders

for more than 200 years providing adequate checks and balances.

In the Constitution, however, is our pieces that are under review or under pressure by voices

here in the 21st century.

Nullification.

Andrew Jackson, we all learned this in grade school.

Andrew Jackson, 1832, the Civil War, 1857 to 1861, two instances of states, South Carolina

with Jackson and the Confederacy with the Dred Scott to the secession of late 60, early 61,

leading to the Civil War.

And then there was the nullification or attempted nullification during the 50s and 60s in the

civil rights strife in the South.

But now we come to nullification today.

Victor, I can't find anywhere a serious argument for sanctuary cities now that they're

sagging under the overwhelming number of immigrants who are arriving. The sanctuary cities now that they're sagging under the overwhelming number of

immigrants who are arriving the sanctuary cities suddenly want money from the the central state

are they rethinking this sanctuary virtue of these last years i think they are a little bit there's

550 county state or municipal sanctuary, and that's just a

euphemism for nullification of federal immigration law, where it says that if somebody is here

illegally and commits a crime, we're not going to turn that person over to the immigration

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