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I'm John Bats with Barbara Weisberg.

Her new book is Strong Passion is A Scandalous Divorce in Old New York.

We're not telling the ending on purpose because you can't guess it.

But we are going to go to the next generation.

Edith Warden is a Stevens.

Is that correct, Barbara?

That is correct. She is a Stevens. Is that correct, Barbara? That is correct.

She is a cousin of Mary's.

Let me say.

Edith Wharton's mother is a cousin of Maryys. So they know this story in Old New York, the Stevens, the Astors, the Strongs, all the

Joneses keeping up with the Joneses, Edith Wharton's Jones as well.

Everybody knows this story and everybody knows that it became impossible for the two to

stay together, and they separate apart. And Barbara guides me to a short story that Edith Wharton

wrote about Mrs. Lidcote, coming home from Europe, to attend or to bless or in some way to visit her daughter Lila,

who has divorced her husband and is now carrying on or remarried a new man.

And what is striking about the revelations in this book to me, Barbara,

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